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Night of the Creeps | with guest Drew Droege (Bob's Burgers, Key & Peele, Hot in Cleveland)
HAPPY HOUR FLIX is a podcast all about the movies you love and love to talk about. A nostalgic look at what we grew up watching and how they still impact us today.
Get ready for a delightful trip down memory lane of "magical trash" as we welcome our delightful and hilarious friend Drew Droege to our podcast!
We'll be reminiscing about the cult classic horror flick Night of the Creeps from 1986. Brace yourself for a chat that's as nostalgic as it is humorous, complete with discussions about Drew's own witty podcast, Minor Revelations.
Of course, we must toast with our friends over at Misguided Spirits and our dear, dear friends Nick at Diamond Dogs on 31st ave in Astoria - who mixed up our creepy delicious cocktail for us.
today's cocktail:
HEAD WOUND
1 1/2 oz Misguided Spirits Red Sky Rum
3/4 oz fresh lime juice
3/4 oz simple syrup
Angostura bitters
Shake with ice
double strain into coupe
Garnish with lime wheel
Ever wondered how there are so many Alpha's in Beta... Epsilon? Why the aliens had little butts? And if you can still watch the original ending? Join us as we ponder this and other intriguing aspects of the film, such as its peculiar one-liner delivery and the controversial sexual politics of the 80s. We'll also discuss the film’s unforgettable axe murderer scene, the surprising presence of brands like Miller Lite and Pepsi, and how characters from the 50s seemed more sympathetic than their 80s counterparts.
Bow out with us as we round off our conversation with some of the film’s most memorable moments including a flashback vision involving a woman leaving a beach with a coconut and a mysterious house mother staring into a room that leads nowhere. You won't want to miss our thoughts on the iconic flamethrower, the peculiar tidy whities, and an unexpected Academy Award nomination. We assure you, it's a lively journey through the magical mystery tour of this beloved 80s horror film.
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HAPPY HOUR FLIX is produced by James Allerdyce and Lori Kay, and hosted by Steven Pierce and Matt Mundy.
Main Title is by Johnny Mineo.
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In this movie about partying with frat boys, the thing you're actually worried about getting shoved in your mouth is an alien slug. We watch Night of the Creeps. It is 1986, year of our lord and crocodile Dundee. Karate Kid, part two, back to school. Cool color purple. Star Trek four, ferris Bueller Labyrinth, little Shop of Horrors, american Tale three, amigos. Big Trouble in Little China. Lots of movies coming out this year.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and of course you would be excused if you missed what we're going to be talking about today, because it opened August 22nd, the same weekend as Top Gun Aliens Stand by Me the Fly, Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, and Friday the 13th part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean. So I mean for this film, like just I mean, gets the idea it's absolutely swallowed up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, top Gun and Aliens alone were two of the top five grossing movies of that year. Right and so had you ever seen this? Yes, but it was like I probably with our guest I had seen it over some in summer school.
Speaker 1:Once again, this is a movie I'd never seen and I love this because it's like all these movies that I would probably have never thought to watch get like brought up and you make me laugh because you showed up like with a freaking Blu-ray of it the other day and I don't know what this movie on Blu-ray already is almost an oxymoron like that. I mean the highest quality of this for our listeners. I have a visual prop.
Speaker 3:There it is. There it is In the room.
Speaker 1:Yes, in the room, and so I am very, very appreciative to our guests today.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, yes, a very special guest today for me personally and just very excited. You know he may be known for his searing and thoughtful and thought provoking humor, from Chloe to bright colors, to heathers, to Bob burgers and any LA comedy stage to Betty White, and not to mention his major dulcet tones in his beautiful podcast, minor revelations, and which I love. And of course it is my dear friend womb to tomb shark, brother and summer school roommate, drew Drogey. Hello guys, hey Drew.
Speaker 4:I love the intro. Oh, we really were. We were summer school roommates. We were. We were both in West Side Story yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, hold on, hold on. Who were you?
Speaker 4:You were those sharks we were. Thank God If there are pictures of this our friend Jeff Shane Hyde, who says hi, by the way, I promise we won't spend this whole podcast talking about college reminiscing, but I think he has threatened to get me canceled if I ever cross him. Because there are, we were. We were in the. We went to the whitest school.
Speaker 4:Yes, there is the age and they insisted on doing West Side Story, which it was, you go. It was a different. It was the 90s, which was not that long ago, right when they're like. No, no problem at all that we just we both played Puerto Ricans in that show which we would absolutely say is rightly incorrect for so many reasons Exactly.
Speaker 3:And not the least of which I just wasn't right for it.
Speaker 1:No no, I've heard the story before, matt, you were Chino, right? That's correct.
Speaker 4:Fabulous, he was wonderful. He was great. No, I mean out of the pool. It had to be you. You were great in that. I should just have not done the show because I was like the eighth shark on the left, like I had no lines. I spent all semester doing that show. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I could potentially get canceled by a dear friend from college.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks, jeff, I've got a question, if you were if you were Chino, because I've seen historic photos of Matt Mundy on stage. Yes, how big was your hair, quaff, as Chino?
Speaker 3:I think you had short hair then, yeah, I was a show. I was definitely on the spike.
Speaker 1:Oh, interesting. Yeah yeah, this is like pre pre-hair personality.
Speaker 3:Yes, because that I think that happened after I did Greece, greece.
Speaker 2:That's the one, I think.
Speaker 3:I came back with a pompadour and a lot of people and a love for beer that is never left. Oh, I love that yeah.
Speaker 4:Now were you duty in.
Speaker 3:Greece. Who are you in Greece? No, I was. Oh gosh, what can I name it? Roger?
Speaker 4:Roger, yeah, oh, that's right. That's duty in the movie.
Speaker 3:Yes, roger, I was like oh, that your magic changes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And oh and I got to do in that production. I did a hand jive which was so much fun. It was great because I didn't have to learn all that dance choreography. I sang in the back and then did a knee slide all the way to the front. Oh, oh cool.
Speaker 2:That's your big moment. That's my big moment on the stage.
Speaker 3:Everybody else is working their ass off.
Speaker 1:Well, today we are talking about Night of the Creeps, which is a movie, again, I would never have watched. I saw the trailer. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4:Thank you so much for picking this. I absolutely probably showed this to you, matt, years ago because I love this movie. It's crazy, the movie titles you just rattled off from 1986. I was like that was my childhood. Yeah, I was nine years old that year and I saw almost all of those movies in the theater. Yeah, and I am such a nerve when you said 1986. I was like, oh, friday, the 13th, part six, in which you mentioned and, of course, texas Chainsaw to. I'm such a 80s horror nerd, yeah, that I sought out Night of the Creeps. I don't, I, I'm not, I definitely. I think I saw this for the first time on HBO. Like it was one of those that I, late night, was obsessed, right, with this movie and I have showed it to so many people and I just watched it again the other night for to do this and it is magical trash.
Speaker 1:I love it.
Speaker 3:Magical trash is the right description of this movie the original title yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Before we get into it, we have to thank our friends over in misguided spirits, once again hooking us up with a custom cocktail that we want you to make at home. So for today, we have what is called the captain's blood.
Speaker 3:This is the head, sorry.
Speaker 1:Sorry, the head wound my, bad my bad. The head wound. This is made by Nick, our close buddy here at the best bar in Astoria.
Speaker 3:New York Easily.
Speaker 1:It's called Diamond Dogs. It's on 31st Avenue in Astoria. It is the coolest bar. I've known them for a million years and they're the greatest guys. Definitely go check them out. So we got the head wound today and, drew, would you mind telling us if you're going to make this at home? What are you going to do?
Speaker 4:Of course, it looks very easy to make. It's one and a half ounces of misguided spirits, red sky rum, three quarters of an ounce of fresh lime juice, three quarters of an ounce of simple syrup and then a dash of Angostura bitters. You shake it with ice, you double strain it into a coupe glass and you garnish with a lime wheel.
Speaker 1:Garnish with a lime wheel. There we go. So that is it. It is one of the. You know, this is one you can definitely make at home. Some of these are more complicated, but this one is. I love it because it's got all the stuff that you're going to have in your bar already at home. So go ahead and give a shout out to Diamond Dogs. Check them out on Instagram.
Speaker 3:All right, all right, hold on, I got to try it. I got to try it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Does it taste like a head wound?
Speaker 1:Oh, it tastes exactly like a head wound. It tastes like a head wound, okay, so you know. The first thing I wrote down, my first note on this movie as we were going, is like this movie is so horny, like it's so horny. This movie is just, it is a raging. Raging, you know, prepubescent erection is what this movie is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, there's. So I mean, even I just love it.
Speaker 1:I'm glad I went with that. Yeah, I was surprised that one made it through.
Speaker 4:Well, it also. It's that era of. There's another 80s movie called Society. That's this horror movie, that is the horniest 80. But, like the 80s, had such a like lurid and it was all connected with like, oh, where did my mic went out? Oh, did you? Oh, hello, hello, hello, is your mic? Are you back? My mic is gone.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I can hear you. You can hear me, yeah, I can hear you my headphones are out.
Speaker 1:Oh, just headphones are out, oh, headphones.
Speaker 4:Oh, now I hear it. Oh, there we are. Okay, good, just came out in the back.
Speaker 1:We're not cutting any of this, by the way. Yes, no, we're not cutting any of this. No, don't cut any of it. No, this is staying in All part of the process yes, people love seeing this sausage get made.
Speaker 3:This is what happens when you talk about society in a Fred Beck movie.
Speaker 4:I know people are like we don't talk about society. It's like the 80s had that real, like it was. Everything was hyper-sexualized and the sexual politics are so wrong. I mean, like the way they're, like I'm, I love that girl, she's going to be mine, I want her to marry, I'm going to own her, yes, and it was sort of like no one's called out for their just like disgusting male behavior and it's just sort of like oh, that's how it is oh, this must be our protagonist.
Speaker 4:Yes, exactly, and they were honestly like. The characters are more sympathetic in the 50s than they are in the 80s in this movie, which is another, just hilarious.
Speaker 3:That's quite a feat actually.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean, like you know, you feel bad for the Tom Atkins character who's like the cop and you know. But these fantastic, I mean talk about the best one liners. The greatest I loved when he got. He popped up later in like Robert Rodriguez movies and he's you know cause he's such a cult icon. Right, he's also in Halloween three season of the witch, the one Halloween movie that doesn't have Michael Myers in it. He is perfect. He plays the, the like the just the alcoholic gum shoe.
Speaker 4:Yeah, hard guy and his line thrill me, thrill me, that's the mo, that's the thing that most people remember from this movie is like the spinning fan and he's sweating the whiskey out of his blood and he just answers the phone every time with thrill me, no, I suppose. Oh, the clown, yeah, oh, yes, and all of his, all of his go to like you know Rocky and Bullwing Cole.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, there's so many good lines, but I'm telling you, the best line of this film is later on, and when we're at the, the sorority house, and they're going to zombies coming in and he turns to the woman who is like he's like duck, it's Miller time.
Speaker 4:Oh my God. Yes, I thought you were going to say the good news is, your dates are here.
Speaker 2:What's the bad news? Is they're dead.
Speaker 4:They're dead. Yeah, oh my God, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Duck, it's Miller time. I laughed.
Speaker 4:Miller time I did. It's so crazy. Um, I, what I love to is like this is clearly made by someone who gets the genre because there's really, really fun nods to that sort of 50s thing, like the idea that, like on the radio, like all points bulletin, there's an escape con and they turn the radio right off. I love it like just things like that and like the comedy in it is clearly like it's it's very aware of what it's sort of sending up and what it's doing. I just to meet watching it again.
Speaker 4:First of all, the Duffer brothers clearly are fans of Opening credits oh my god when I saw stranger things for the first time and saw those letters Kind of like floating over each other with the credits over I go. This so reminds me of an 80s movie and this feels so 80s. It's literally lifted from night of the creeps. Yeah, and that's what they do in the opening. Yes, the opening montage and what the music is very similar and I was like, oh, this is such a nod To that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that movie and if I I remember you, decker was saying that obviously was all done practical. So it's like yes, those are like sheets that are that were dyed and have a fan blowing on them to give it, to make them look like they're rippling, like that, that that those are just like sheets Hanging up and then they like masked around them to go, oh yeah. Interesting really. Yeah, fascinating, I can't remember, but he goes on about that logo because he just like I mean, I wrote down yes to this intro.
Speaker 1:All in on this, and can we the opening this film opens.
Speaker 3:This is on movies. It's gonna know when, what you are this movie opens with fucking aliens.
Speaker 1:What are these creatures?
Speaker 4:They look like demented babies at the nine-year-old. I love that the aliens had butts right. They were like these wiggling little worm creatures giggling.
Speaker 1:They're no creatures though. They're like they look like.
Speaker 4:What is it?
Speaker 3:they're like cabbage patch dolls that have been squished too hard. Yeah something like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly like a cabbage patch. Doll.
Speaker 4:That like they left the head in the dryer a little too long, yeah but isn't it what later, when they, when they've, when this, the slugs are shot out of their heads, that they kind of look reminiscent of and there's some sort of Star Wars, they look like a ripoff from something, from the, the canteen, like that. Oh yeah, that's sort of globular thing.
Speaker 3:Like folded flesh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the folded flesh is what I is like, really what I responded to, and, and one of them is escaping with some kind of oh, if this I mean, my god. It's subtitled in an alien, made-up language. Yes. Yes that again made me laugh.
Speaker 4:Yes, you get two subtitles. You get the alien subtitle and the actual thing, which is like the first line is like crap or damn it of the whole movie and then it's like they can't release the experiment and that's the only explanation you need another thing I love Movies. Need to go back to this less explanation, please in horror movies, Ah yes the experiment.
Speaker 4:All right, that's all I need to know. Let's have fun. I don't need the nerds to sit there and explain the science of how this happened, how I got to earth. No, that ruined it to me. Aliens is a great movie. To bring you that up again, it's. It's just go Prometheus, ruined alien. Like there's too much explanation. The longer you talk about this, the less sense it makes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's not real Like there's an alien run there's Gonna make you a zombie Hide bitch, like it's like the greatest I love that about that's so true it does, it jumps right in and it and I mean and that beautiful.
Speaker 3:Apparently he wanted to shoot the whole movie in black and white, apparently, oh, oh, which is interesting because I did love how it pans out. Like it, just that you're on sorority row in 1959 and 50s acting is really good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it feels very authentic to a 50s film like they they're. They're not Winking too hard at it, no. However, there is a very the strangest delivery of a line I've ever heard in my life and since I was a kid, I've never known what this guy said. And finally, the other night I realized what he said, which was when they're like in the car and she's like what's the brightest star in the sky? And he's like in there asking what's the brightest star? And this thing, this globe, is coming at them. Yeah, and it's just this giant supernova that flies over the car, mm-hmm. The guy stands up and he says I will for that one. And it's the strangest thing, and I was like and it's, I vote for that one Is what he's actually saying the hell, does that mean I?
Speaker 4:vote that. That's the brightest star in the sky. I vote for what's the brightest start in the sky. I vote for that one the way he says Strangest, he goes over for the room and it's like I please Maybe they didn't afford a dr because I was like this is when you need to go back in that is amazing Re-loop that guy sons coming up, we only get one, take yep. I vote for no one. Okay, we're good, we got it. We got some more cocaine and move on exactly.
Speaker 1:I mean this, this was a cocaine fee. Had to be a cocaine fueled. Oh yeah, I mean, this baby ran on the coca plant, you know that's what these, that's what these little guys are 100% yeah, also, that scene is so weird because they infuse drama into it, because the cop comes up right and they're making on make-out point or whatever. Yeah and then she's like he, she knows the cop like in a right familiar.
Speaker 4:Well, they were dating. She was cheating on him with the other guy. Is that, is that what they're talking about with that?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I thought it was like an x or something.
Speaker 3:No, but that's why she, that's why he comes. He comes back at the end there out into the house. Moms, uh, you know what is it? Uh, and, and the floorboards. Yes, oh, I see, yeah, yeah, yeah, see it's not connecting.
Speaker 2:I see, yeah there's it's.
Speaker 4:A lot is happening in this movie because you have all of the like the zombie part of it and the alien part of it, gotcha and the romance.
Speaker 1:And the roar. Of course, you can't forget the flawless romance.
Speaker 4:The reveal of that axe murderer from behind, like just the feet coming up on, is yeah, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1:No, that's really good how they did the axe murderer.
Speaker 4:It was really fun and that slam of the axe, when that axe goes slamming down on her and it just cuts to. How does it not pledge week 1986 and it's some sort of hui luis music is playing and it's like 80s. Delicious, yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's an amazing.
Speaker 1:Like damn 80s yeah you know she got a killer line in the 50s too. She's like I'll even let you fondle my breasts. I mean Rushing, I mean somebody wrote that down.
Speaker 3:Well, and even I can't believe we're not even out of the, we're just getting out of the black and white section. But I one more thing on that section is Uh, decker said and this is just his he was saying I was inexperienced, I wanted a tracking shot for when he had the flashlight to go. Look, and they built a 50 foot Dolly for yes, so that you get, and it's just like up a hill the whole time, and so that shot is a 50 foot long shot. Wow, of track.
Speaker 1:It's just amazing, can I say, might not have been worth it Because I didn't even notice, didn't notice, it Didn't notice at all studio film.
Speaker 4:It was a tri-star tri-star yeah it's just crazy like they had money in this yes situation.
Speaker 3:Well and lively, was you know well kind of a big deal coming off of uh European vacation, I think right before, right yeah and and Jill was pretty big too. She'd been and done a lot of stuff going in and She'd just done porches as well.
Speaker 4:Um, which, was amazingly, she was in porches, yeah, porches too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it was just the original.
Speaker 3:Oh, maybe it was yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it's just the original James is nodding producer. James Is not. I think it's original, only original the one that she's not.
Speaker 4:She's not the main girl in porches.
Speaker 3:No, no, I can't remember who she is. She's also in mask, though I've never seen porches. I want to say like it's one of those.
Speaker 1:I know the Cover well. Yes, you know what I mean, I know I can. I remember that from like my teenage years. Me like that movie looks Like something I should get into.
Speaker 4:Yeah and I never did a. The most mainstream, supposed to be hetero norma, hetero sexual sex comedy with the most male nudity you've ever seen in your life. Is porches.
Speaker 3:There's way more male nudity than female nudity in that movie, which is like who is this for, but all right, sure, sure, you know, but it did make me think of all the uh, we were just talking about this the other day, about the, the gorgeous blockbuster VHS art On you know covers that we all miss, and like I absolutely, the porches art just stands.
Speaker 1:It is a total lost thing because we were just talking about this. When you'd go to your local video store and I'd go like almost every day and just walk around and look at and look at the shelves, I mean like, and you wouldn't often, you wouldn't get anything, but you'd just like be looking at the art and looking at the. Oh yeah, but maybe I'll check that out or maybe do this and well, and you're like I.
Speaker 4:There were so many, especially horror movies, because I remember the night of the creeps yeah, poster, it was the, it was the prom day the chiseled Man's face and was all like eaten away as a zombie and he's at the window with a rope with like roses or something oh yeah, yeah, yeah and um. But yeah, you do remember. I remember like Sleepaway camp, discovering that, because it's like a tennis shoe, like over a knife, like Shove through a knife, and you're like, oh my god, I have to watch that movie.
Speaker 3:Oh, and anything like that. After gremlins, I would you know something like critters, you know, or?
Speaker 4:What was the one James with? They were always coming out of toilets. Yes, goolies, yes.
Speaker 1:They'll get you in the end. Yeah, that is the best tagline.
Speaker 4:We get the you guys pulled this up In the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is the best. It's like a little ghoul, and James brought this up. I mean, you brought it up, james.
Speaker 2:I can never forget. How can you ever forget that, yeah, they will get you. They'll get you in the end.
Speaker 1:What a great, great tagline which I thought was coming in this movie. To be honest, they have the slugs and then they have the toilet scene with the best friend. I was like, okay. Here comes the butt joke it's a missed and they never do like it's still like it's only these. These slugs are mouth, only they're yeah.
Speaker 4:You know, they're not gross.
Speaker 1:They have standards, yeah.
Speaker 3:They're not.
Speaker 1:Where are we going with this?
Speaker 3:Mouth only.
Speaker 4:I'm a mouth only slug.
Speaker 3:Yes, I'm sorry, I'm from Planet Mouth Only.
Speaker 1:Exactly. It's sort of the opposite of a mafia.
Speaker 4:You can actually read the alien subtitles, you would understand that.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly, oh, got it. They say that in the opening sequence Got it.
Speaker 3:That's the part of their culture. It's, yes, chapter seven of a Tolkien book, I mean again a killer line the best friend.
Speaker 1:Who's the actor, the place, the best friend.
Speaker 3:Oh, stephen, marshall, Stephen, yeah, stephen.
Speaker 1:Marshall. Yeah, okay, the guy with that was at his own. The crutches, yes, and he. I mean again, the lines are great. They know exactly what they're doing in this movie. He's the missing link. The guy has one continuous eyebrow. I mean, they're just like they're not. This is not a film that is trying to make you laugh in any kind of sort of plot driven intelligence of like scenarios that are funny. It is just like the funniest one liners, the funniest joke, the funniest one liner wins, that's it.
Speaker 4:Yeah. And then he had the most awful makeup department drawn on eyebrow. Oh my God, yeah, cross his two. It looks like the guy co, it's so bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it looks like the eyebrow and like the guy co.
Speaker 4:Oh, the the girl came in. Yeah, the came in.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this was the inspiration Right here.
Speaker 1:I would if you said that that was true. I would believe it yeah they.
Speaker 3:they stole that, like James Gunn stole this. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they wrote the joke and then they were like cast a guy, then paint the eyebrow on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it'll be. It'll be all this extra eyebrow makeup. What are you doing with it?
Speaker 1:And again talking about like the 980s tropes, I mean the good old, classic 80s tropes, like a walking zombie mixed with the quintessential girl changing in her bedroom. You know what I mean. Like you got that sequence in here and that, that is just. I mean I was like this movie knows exactly what it is.
Speaker 1:And it doesn't offer any kind of special anything. It gives you exactly that. There's not like a fun twist on it, it just like. This is what it is. We're just we know you like this shit. You're here for it, you're here for this. You're watching this movie and we're going to give it to you. We already gave you the twist of the aliens, god knows. I'm just going to say God knows why it starts with aliens. It is.
Speaker 3:I could not make heads or tails of this, I think, I think, I think because of what you were saying, drew, I think this is because they were like, well, there's going to be no explanation, yeah.
Speaker 4:We just need to have something to get zombies. So it comes from another land. You don't, you're not going to get the explanation. These slugs, they're an experiment. Yep Go.
Speaker 3:Yep, what would you say? It's zombies run Right, the, but and that is what was I going to say with the when they go to, oh, they're betas, can I just you know the beta epsilons right, so they're betas and we? I know we have another episode the last starfighter.
Speaker 1:We talk about betas.
Speaker 3:And they, you know, there is a person that's made to look like the you know a protagonist and he's called a beta. And there is this whole. When they did they tested it for audiences. The audiences loved the beta and I don't know, just watching this going, and that was 86 or 87. And I'm like, was there a thing back then, cause these are beta again. The irony this is where I was going, I knew I'd talk myself into it the irony of, like, they're the alpha males and they're in the beta frat.
Speaker 4:Also the revenge of the nerds, which was 84. Yeah, 84. Want to say maybe 85. Yeah, um, the fraternity was alpha beta Right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's yeah, and this was beta epsilon.
Speaker 4:I wonder beta epsilon is not a real fraternity? I don't know, surely they had to make their own for like legal reasons, although in the 80s.
Speaker 1:They give a shit about legal stuff.
Speaker 4:I mean, they shot so much of this. They didn't pay Miller light to say it's Miller time, yeah. Nor did Miller light pay them.
Speaker 3:No, but my gosh Miller lights are throughout this movie and also Pepsi. There's Pepsi and Miller. There's a lot of Pepsi.
Speaker 4:There's also a very, very long shout out to Striper. Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:You know Striper? Yes, I did not know what Striper is Striper is a Christian rock band.
Speaker 4:It was a thrash metal, christian rock band.
Speaker 1:I love Christian metal bands. Yeah, that is like it is one of my favorite contributions.
Speaker 4:The most famous Christian metal band. They were called Striper Striper, and when he's in the bathroom the longest shot of him is it says Striper rules right next to him for the longest time in the bathroom?
Speaker 3:Yes, Wow, I'd forgotten, I think. Okay, I don't know, but I think a friend of Decker, or Decker himself, dated someone who was related to somebody in Striper. I think there's that, there's actual real connection, there, total sense, where, did you find that out?
Speaker 1:That is like too deep, even for Google. You know what I mean. Like who's out there posting BTS?
Speaker 4:and, like articles of the dark web, finds out every possible. He is a just a great researcher.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I like. This is what tour is for.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Like wait, let me ask a question because you pull the mic closer.
Speaker 1:pull the mic closer Did you who?
Speaker 2:what is he writing in the bathroom on the wall? Because I figured Steve or Matt were going to catch this, or maybe I missed it entirely. I know I did the shot starts with him writing it. I mean, yes, writing a full, like three sentences.
Speaker 3:He's writing on top of somebody else's thing. I did, you know, man, do you remember?
Speaker 2:by and I said you know, I'm not even going to take it back because I know that.
Speaker 1:Wow, I feel like I'm letting you down, I'm letting.
Speaker 4:I don't know what he was writing either.
Speaker 3:I do know what was written on the wall. When he's crawling out, though, it says go monster squad, which is amazing. I'm like he hadn't even shot that, but I knew what he was coming up.
Speaker 4:He made. He also directed monster squad. Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay, but that was next.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was next, so he had to have been working on it then.
Speaker 3:Yeah, or know that he had a movie in mind like that.
Speaker 1:That's ballsy and honestly, I'm here for it. Like you know what I mean, Drop an Easter egg for your next film in that's pretty great that you haven't shot yet yeah.
Speaker 4:But that's like when John Hughes did plane strains and automobiles and she's having a baby at the same time. Yes, or he was doing. He did planes, trains and automobiles first, and that's why Kevin Bacon does the cameo in it at the beginning where they're getting the cab.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Sure.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 4:Later in the movie when John Candy's wife no, I'm sorry, steve Martin's wife is watching a movie on TV. She's watching B roll of she's having a baby.
Speaker 3:Wow, the wow Wow.
Speaker 2:Wow See, I didn't know that that is what tour is for yeah, the all right.
Speaker 3:So wait, james, to bring it home. What was it, dear? Did you not even know? No, we don't even know, we don't know.
Speaker 1:I feel like I've let everyone down. No, like I don't know. I feel like this is we've got to find out what he's writing on that wall.
Speaker 3:So for our listeners, I am definitely hawking the the Blu-ray and I want everybody to get it because it's awesome. So go watch it and tell me what it was.
Speaker 1:We're going to have to figure out what it is and then put it at the end of the episode.
Speaker 2:That's just going to have to do.
Speaker 1:That's what's going on, like we just we just have to jump ahead to the end. You know, to make sure you listen to. This is a real buddy buddy movie. This is like the two like the true, like friends, sort of the core, and it's surprising to spoiler, one of them dies and you don't expect that's coming Like. I thought that was legitimately surprising. I was like, oh cool, the guy that like is always giving for the other ones and they like really give each other a lot of shit like that.
Speaker 3:There is a one scene I don't remember this, because they have like two scenes in their dorm room that one scene where he goes in and and JC tells him, tells Chris off, basically sit down. I thought that was awesome. It's a beautiful scene. It's a fantastic monologue and you know it's. It just was real heartfelt. I was like this guy's talking to each other and this guy it felt really real shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like I felt like real college relationship, because he's also like he pushes back on him. He said, no, fuck you, man. Like you know, like what I really got. I was like, yeah, that feels right.
Speaker 3:So loud, goes to felt re of all the like, send ups and punch ups. This, that moment, really sat for me.
Speaker 4:I also I thought the scene with between Tom Atkins and Jason Lively is wonderful. The revenge scene is like so well done.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that whole, like that whole build up of that side plot, if you will, which is really actually what the story is about, right, you know?
Speaker 4:but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like unrequited love, yeah, and like always thinking that you know the bad guys are going to get, that they're going to win, you know like they're going to get what they want and you're not going to get what you deserve.
Speaker 3:Right, yeah, yeah, and then it's so heartbreaking to see him. At the end, though, you know, just in this lugs explode everywhere and it just it makes me sad. I think, oh, that's how this ends, God can I?
Speaker 1:I mean the what the fuck is up. Maybe you guys can explain this to me with the cop that the flashback vision, whatever when he's like in drinking a white suit drinking that.
Speaker 4:And then the woman is going out of the other direction. Yes, yeah, that's the first time you see Tom Atkins is he's on a beach with a coconut?
Speaker 3:Yeah, what the fuck was that all about? Okane filled coconut? It was absolutely.
Speaker 4:And and her reversing out of the water, yeah, when it goes into the axe murders. It's genuinely chilling.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:What is going on?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and he has the shotgun. Then he has the severed hand. He's wearing a corsage every time he cuts back Like it looks like a real dream sequence that first time you see him and he's just got the severed hand that you can only imagine is her severed hand Right, right, yeah, and then it cuts back and he's got the corsage on and then it cuts back and he's got the shotgun and it's. It's so awesome because you can see his head just like processing all of this and this is his nightmare.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, I mean the fact that this thing levels up like, oh God, he has one another fucking killer line. Hang on, I got to look here. So my notes, we got him, we got him, they're down here and he's like Get the 12 gauge out of my car.
Speaker 2:Like yes, yes more of this Sign me up man.
Speaker 4:And but not just get the gun like. That means there are more multiple guns, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:Get the 12 gauge.
Speaker 3:So exactly Of all the ones, make sure you get the 12.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is not vampire night, this is fuck zombies. I'm not Get the 12 gauge.
Speaker 3:Well, and it's also too. What is this Like? What is this A homicide or a bad B movie Like that is talk about self aware, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1:You called him a gum shoe and he might be the most like. That word is so applicable to him as he feels like something. You feel like a piece of gum, you feel off the bottom of your shoe, like this guy feels like that.
Speaker 4:Oh, oh, my God, like, oh, just beaten down. Yeah, like witnessing the worst thing.
Speaker 3:And it's only 86. He's going to be doing that for 30 more years after that.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Say oh, oh, there's another thing. What the hell was going on? That we first go to the sorority and what's? What's up the lead characters name? I can't remember the. We talk about Chris lively, no, no, the. Anyway they go to the sorority.
Speaker 3:Jill, she's going to get killed.
Speaker 4:Yeah, cynthia, that's what we go to the Cynthia and her last name is Cronenberg.
Speaker 3:Cronenberg, I was like.
Speaker 4:Is that a shout out to?
Speaker 3:David, oh, I'll go there.
Speaker 1:But yeah, finish your thought so we see she's going up, that she comes in, and then there's an old lady like staring out of a room that just goes nowhere. Nothing happens with it ever, right, like she's just there. She's kind of giving them all like the stare down. That's the house, mother, right? Yeah, is that?
Speaker 4:like a thing. A house mother, yes, yes, absolutely. I mean I didn't know it existed still in the 80s, but I know when my mom was in college, all the girls houses had a house mother, yes, and a a really Dowager woman that just lived in the house and would shine, sign them all in. So when they left the house at night they had to sign out, yeah, and this woman was way up all night until these women all came home.
Speaker 3:Is it sorority that? What? So? That's about the woman, or is that sorority row? Sorority murders on sorority row? I can't remember, but it's the same thing. But it's the house mother who's the murderer, or?
Speaker 1:what is that person's life who becomes a house mother that feels like what a lunch lady grows up to become?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I mean. That's a good place to be, like I mean, that is like what is that gay? Well, it's not good if you're watching plan nine and somebody chops their way out of your floorboards to the other.
Speaker 4:You, exactly, that's that that call out. Oh you really, you missed out on everything, yeah.
Speaker 1:And they're storing brains in this. I was like, yep, that tracks.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that brings for the science experiment. All of it is just like they know, because this is after in the lore of zombies.
Speaker 1:This is after the brains section, right.
Speaker 3:Like the return of the living dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is after that. Right, I think it's right after so they're just homaging everything and I like that is I mean, I'm here for it, man, I'm fucking here for it I'm, and so only because Decker himself said it, he is not a fan of those zombies, believe it or not?
Speaker 3:Interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, with the brains, yeah.
Speaker 3:Like that was just not his style, but he was a big fan of the director and also did love a lot of them. So I kind of want to see if we can remember all some of the names for these people, do you? Chris the lead and James? You may have picked up on some of this, but does anybody remember his last name? No, no, romero, no way. No way, because you were saying her last name is Cronenberg and his name is, and so his best friends, jc, right? Uh huh, so his JC Hooper, it's John Carpenter and Toby Hooper.
Speaker 4:Toby Hooper yes, and then there's.
Speaker 3:Sergeant Raimi Okay. And then we're really getting there. And then, oh gosh, oh, it's Corman University, george Corman, oh wow.
Speaker 1:I'm here for it, man.
Speaker 4:What a good.
Speaker 1:How did I miss all of these things and these are all, where the hell are you finding all of this on night on?
Speaker 3:the creeps, matt. It's fun. The you know it kind of brings you into the universe. But so here's the thing George Corman basically discovered Dick Miller, who plays oh gosh. He's in this movie and he plays oh gosh, what's his name? In Walt? Walt, and Walt is the character he played in Bucket of Blood from like 20 or 30 years previous. So basically it's not even homage, it's basically the same character. The guy was like do you have a form for the flamethrower?
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, oh, my God, yeah, again, another killer line. Now I just also the fact that it ratchets up to a fucking flamethrower, of course.
Speaker 4:Is perfect.
Speaker 1:I mean, this is like, this is the best use of a flamethrower, until once upon a time in Hollywood. He like he pulls it out and he's like oh yeah, I got this old. You know, I just need that requisition. And he wants the shell. Yeah, that's, or see, there's going to be a problem. I don't have a requisition or there ain't no requisition.
Speaker 4:Oh God, the best, yes, just the best.
Speaker 3:I wish he'd been Hispanic, because then he could say no one expects us.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, this requisition, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, how do you do this? Okay, so I apologize.
Speaker 4:I would like to apologize for my Monday Also in the cast Academy Award nominee David Paymer. Yes, is the guy that lab technician Right?
Speaker 3:Who can remember the number zero?
Speaker 4:Yes, right, which is just like so cool to see like a journeyman actor, like that. You're like, yep, that you did that and you went on and you did Mr Saturday night, mr Saturday night, and it's like, and had a long, amazing career. I also love in the lab. The cryogenically frozen guy has on tidy whities.
Speaker 3:I was like I wrote down is this Rocky Horror, Like I know?
Speaker 4:it's almost more lurid when you have a panel whities are aggressive.
Speaker 1:Every time I'm watching the scene with tiny whities I'm like Jesus, that's a lot of pressure. You know what I mean. Like there's. I mean you not only got like a weird.
Speaker 2:They're called tidy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but now like pressure I mean you get, you got to really. I mean these things. You do not want to sit in anything wrong, you know you're not.
Speaker 4:No, you're not standing in any near any walls. It's just a weirdness of like oh well, we're not going to be. Yeah, we need to be modest and put him in. Yeah, calling attention to it. It's like if he was just naked and obviously I don't need to see anything, but just like shoot around it, but then putting him in tidy whities is just so funny.
Speaker 3:No, they looked at the studio and they're like we're not porkies.
Speaker 1:That's got to be a joke.
Speaker 3:Like that has to be a joke.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, there are things that are just so satisfying that that that is something. If I was making a movie, I would do that and I would think it's fucking hilarious.
Speaker 3:I'm calling it right now. I think it's a callback to the creature and Rocky Horror.
Speaker 1:I really don't have any evidence to break that up it might
Speaker 3:be, yeah, it might be, but you know, I mean that's late 70s anyway. So that might be it and he was 27 when he directed this movie. So I mean, that would have been, you know, he would have been 1918 around that time. So yeah, that'd have been perfect timing. Anyway, that's yeah. Also can we get this is the fact that he wouldn't have Frank and further in there is upsetting.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she does. The Dr Frank and further would have been a great professor.
Speaker 3:Exactly If paymer. That's it. I don't think paymer is named, so I'm calling it. That's Frank and further. No payment. David Paymer, you played Frank and further. We've recondit. There we go. Oh, speaking of, you're going to love this, steve Drew, do you know the show Cop Rock?
Speaker 1:do you? Remember the talk about Cop Rock yeah.
Speaker 4:Stephen Bocco's like epic failure.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, so David Paymer was in Cop Rock Wow.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, amazing.
Speaker 3:And I was listening to Randy Newman recently do the the the opening that song even is bad.
Speaker 1:It's just everything about. Cop Rock is a fantastic failure. It really is.
Speaker 4:We watched a bunch of people who don't know it, it is a was a musical Yep Serial like it was on every week is in order with.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cops that sing, yeah. Yeah, it was like a we watched. We watched a ton of it. Watch the ton of it.
Speaker 4:He's used to do bad movie.
Speaker 2:I season so we were going to 11.
Speaker 1:Canceled after 11 episodes. I just read oh god, the guy. Ceo of die the CEO of Disney. He was working at a biker. Yes, bob Iger and he greenlit that and they talk about it in this book and it's really funny another great decision by Bob. Exactly.
Speaker 3:Yeah chocolate yeah exactly chocolate.
Speaker 4:What a great fucking.
Speaker 1:Anyway, so they, we did like, we did the first full episode and I think we did maybe one or two more, and then we are all Collectively, as a group, like I can't make it through 11 of these, like yeah. I mean there they're an hour 40 something minutes.
Speaker 3:I think we skipped to watch the finale.
Speaker 1:So we did, and this is what I highly recommend watch the first episode, maybe the second, but then on YouTube. Somebody has done the world a big favor and they've cut in all the musical numbers back to back.
Speaker 1:And I'll see time on their hands and it is very much worth watching because you get you get the whole thing and the ending, the series and is fucking Fantastic, it is it. The epic level of meltdown that happens is just unbelievable. Wow, the show just eats itself. It knows it's done, oh, it knows it's done, and it just it consumes itself.
Speaker 3:It is like arrested. Development didn't go far enough you know like. Yeah, it's where. Wow, so we're another one, just go out.
Speaker 1:We can't do cop rock like I can't watch that again I know, but I'm, so I'm telling people who haven't seen it.
Speaker 3:It's worth the train wreck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is worth doing once to say you did it, you know what I mean, it's like riding the Cyclone on Coney Island, right Like, but you don't want to do it again. You may not survive.
Speaker 3:So so we were okay. So David, we're. This is David Paymer, who just awesome and, like you were saying, drew, we love seeing like the fact that he's got this small little role and he's journeyman actor and then he gets an Oscar nomination, he's, and then he like Amistad and the commission he was on for a while, I mean just a bunch of shows forever and and he's just Obviously a great guy to work with. I do love. Where is it when they go look for the, when they go look for the creature, and and he's gone. And he's just like Where's Rip Van Winkle? All he must have gotten up and, you know, gone for a walk or something like that. And he's like, well, what happened to him? Oh, he was, he was studying. Oh, I must have been working too hard.
Speaker 1:It's so good man, I wrote down like he does that line later like duh, there's this. The lower is so fun because it gets shot in the head and the effects are very satisfying. Yes, absolutely. And then the slugs come out, and then you have to burn the slugs. It's just fun, it is just fucking fun. And then you end up watching the two young leads with a shotgun and she has a flamethrower.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm like. I didn't know I could be more at the end to this movie, but.
Speaker 4:I am in baby sign me. I'm telling you it's one of the movies I love sharing with people, because they just don't know all the treasures.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yes, well, I did now this. I hadn't thought of this. Do you think that her having the flames through it was a callback to alien Alien?
Speaker 4:could be I don't know like.
Speaker 2:I don't.
Speaker 4:Think everything's a call back. James has given me a no. No, cuz we've been the same year the arbiter no, no.
Speaker 3:Aliens is 86, alien is, alien is 79, 86 is when she is.
Speaker 4:She's a flamethrower, so it's the same year same.
Speaker 2:I wonder if it's from.
Speaker 1:Anyway, he goes with that. Then they even doubled down on the funds is like duck, it's Miller time. He shoots him in the head and then slows, come out and he takes fucking hairspray and a cigarette Like first. I'm like yes.
Speaker 3:I'm here for that.
Speaker 1:Yes, I am here, man, you've got me like, give it to me baby.
Speaker 4:And he also like before that you get this that fashion montage or the 80s, yes, like getting ready weird pet shop boys like kind of like opening credits, of like attitudes, bread East and Ellis, like what is happening, right, like less than zero.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that world Painting of like you just can't recreate, that like that's just perfect world, of just like here you go, there's of its time, and I do love the fact that when we come to the 80s, it says what year it is, because it just you. It feels like this is supposed to be a period, yeah it's a period piece. About period pieces. Yes, you know.
Speaker 1:Oh, my god, and I forgot after he, after he fries the thing, then they put him on a turntable. He's like spinning around in the room. It is just so epic fun it's so epic and then the funniest thing of this whole movie, though, is in the next sequence. I remember like there's like the two little, the two younglings I can't remember younglings. Historically terrible epically bad at character names. I just I'm awful.
Speaker 2:I love younglings, but the two younglings.
Speaker 1:they was shotgun and flamethrower. Yes, um is how we're gonna refer to them now. Yes, Chris and Cynthia and they're being like converged on by zombies, like you know, and they're coming in there like go to this little shed and he starts, but he hits the lock so softly. Yes, you could definitely tell that they were like, hey, this is a real prop. Like don't you know, don't, do, don't hurt yourself here because then he's like, and just like, barely like, you know like oh, that that's great, you're never gonna break it that way, buddy.
Speaker 3:Well, and that scene was actually shot after they Screamed it for people and they didn't have the that ending and people were like we need an action sequence to kind of end this.
Speaker 4:Oh right and so they reshap my the two different endings.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, even, even yes.
Speaker 4:Cuz. I were the one I just watched there and I was like I don't remember that being the ending and I looked it up which which ending did. What did you see was at the ending that's on Amazon is Is the ending where there's a spaceship hovering.
Speaker 3:That's, yes, that's on this, that's.
Speaker 4:That is not the theatrical release, the one that I remember as a kid and I looked it up. I was like I remember it's where she runs up and the dog the dog is still alive at the end, right and the dog comes running up to her and she goes high and then you see the dog is a zombie and a slug comes out of the dog, yes, and goes into her mouth. That's what I remember.
Speaker 3:That's the original and and, oh my god, yeah, so that's and that was supposed to. And then it cuts the black right. Yeah, and that is I remember, because even on this DVD or this blu-ray, I was very excited because I was like, oh, I bet it has both endings. Nope, nope, just the, just the spaceship. And I was like I want, is this lost? Media now, like this is like lost, this is Wow.
Speaker 2:It's on there, it's on the blu-ray, it's just. You have to go back to the menu. Thank you thank you touted the blu-ray. So much Did you watch your original ending?
Speaker 1:No so, but you just saw it was on there. Oh, got it.
Speaker 3:Okay, that makes me feel so much better.
Speaker 4:I just because I remember, I know the movie well and I was like, hold on, I don't remember a spaceship coming in at the end of this movie. And then I was like, oh, it's so weird.
Speaker 3:And then I remember moving up I was like, oh right, the dog and this and how funny though that the they they changed the ending to bring the aliens back. They're like all right, fine, yeah, you know, we'll give you what you asked for.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean the cat also. We haven't called out the cat like the dog effect is great, but the cat with the the worm was awesome. Yeah, that cat was nasty, that was great.
Speaker 3:I was literally. Literally. It was like this is better, like I think you said it before we were on it's better than Pat cemetery.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's gross. It is like scarier than Pat cemetery. Oh yeah, it was great.
Speaker 3:And I love Pat cemetery. It's not one of my favorite books, but the movie Hmm, which is fun, but that cat, apparently Fred, I just watched that 80s pet cemetery and the acting is so bad in that movie.
Speaker 4:Yeah and again, I'm a fan of night of the creeps. Acting is so bad at cemetery that it took me out of the movie.
Speaker 3:Oh man.
Speaker 4:They were so bad in it I thought I would didn't believe anything that anyone was saying and that was, and that was like in a theatrical release, because I oh yeah, that was a huge studio film- because I remember was it a silver bullet and that was a TV movie.
Speaker 3:But I was like that was terrible. It was like the only werewolf movie I knew of the look for the longest time. Oh, except this makes me think John Landis right John Landis. Yeah, he is also a name in the movie One of the detectives is you're kidding Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Wow, yeah, I just as I was talking that through, with the bad acting to me, to there. But man, that's, that's just so sad.
Speaker 2:But now we know it's interesting for this movie because he also wrote animal house right.
Speaker 3:All right yeah, landis, and I don't yeah that's what, because that would have been before this, so that's kind of wild yeah man can we talk about?
Speaker 1:they're in the basement and they go down there, and then there's this pile of worms. And the cop has duct tape on his mouth. That's so I was like yes, fabulous and then he takes it off. I was like why would you take it off? And he grabs the slug that jumps on me. He's like don't even think about it, you little son of a bitch. And I'm like, oh, I love, I mean, I just can't. I love this guy. I want to be this guy for Halloween.
Speaker 4:Like I mean, can you guys help me? I've written a note here, but I don't know what I mean. Oh, I wrote the duct tape ripping off his door.
Speaker 3:Oh, Because he had been, which I did this.
Speaker 4:Yeah, this is also made a note about that. Is there's something?
Speaker 1:That's one of those details that I was like. All right, like you know, it's way more fun. The on the mouth of him is like yeah, that's that.
Speaker 3:If you want some TMI. Before COVID I they were doing a lot of work in my building and they don't do it up to code. I'm calling them out and I put duct tape around my door To keep all the dust out because I kept sure and I was like guys, you have to put up stuff. So, anyway, I put this up and three months later COVID hits and, like you know what, I think I'm gonna leave up the duct tape. Yeah, don't be like it's the fog. Jamie Lee Curtis came and knocked and I was like no.
Speaker 3:But yeah, that's. I think that's the note. I don't know if it's anything more than that, but it's that he really glad I took a note about.
Speaker 4:I don't know why I remember that.
Speaker 1:I know it's like I just kind of like In my mind, it just kind of glanced past it because it felt like something there's a detail, but it was not. It isn't. It hadn't reached its fullest, you know yeah that's the idea yet. And then it did with the duct tape on his mouth. Oh, can.
Speaker 3:Can I just read to you though that moment, like so it's before we get to this, and like when, when? The two young younglings is that what we're calling them now, the younglings? The younglings, when they when they go to the detective. Detective Atkins is who fell off. His segue is the beautiful Tape that he leaves for his friend. Oh my god, it's heartbreaking, it really is, and he's, you know. I wrote it down. Do you have it?
Speaker 4:I just wrote down the end, when he says I walked all by myself. I walked, I love you, I love Cynthia, and it was like God, yeah, yeah oh, that kid gay.
Speaker 3:I mean he was like cutting. Yeah, he was it, but it's gotten in my mouth. I can feel it, my brain. I don't have a heartbeat or a pulse. I killed one. I let him match to it. I think fire will kill them.
Speaker 1:What a great way to reveal that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah and it's just this pouring out of that. And then, yeah, I walked, I walked and yeah, and he was. He's the only one in this whole movie. He's like I love you. He was not afraid to say yeah.
Speaker 1:That and he'd been the one early on. Emotionally don't talk about the character emotional arc for a second. That is like you have to like. Talk to her, you have to engage. You can't be afraid to be like you know. It can't be this repressed version of yourself, blah blah, blah blah. You can't care what other people think. So it really hits home, oh and then that's where the character learns that, and that's when he starts acting.
Speaker 3:No, oh, I mean, it's one. I mean I wrote down here because, yeah, I love you. Good luck with Cynthia. Yeah, and I just like that's one of the best. I was like my gosh, you just call this guy. You know Frodo and Sam.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but they counterpoint it with, like a line like this in the same thing, it's in the same scene, it's like is there a point to this story? I just want to confess to a murder. Yeah you know, right cop is going on and on and on.
Speaker 3:I had that note and that's like your note. Earlier I was like I don't remember why. I have confess yeah confess I just want to confess a murder, the, and like that when he takes off, what was it Even through? I mean just the grossness of this. They get in through your mouth and then they lay eggs in your brain, oh my. God walk around while they incubate, even if you're dead, you Like yeah.
Speaker 1:I intense yeah.
Speaker 3:I was like you know what, george Lucas? Sometimes you can just say what you mean yeah, and the dialogue will take care of itself. Let you know, you don't have to surround it with a bunch of stuff. It's like boom, all right, nice, straight ahead, turn up the heat and the gas in the kitchen and get the hell out of there. Yep, they. But it just makes me think of those brains. The brains are just wonderful. Should I start these in that basement?
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, we'll use them in class. Yes for class. We have human brains. That because we always do that in undergrad. Oh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:Remember all of that. You know all that brain dissection and just like sitting in the jars and not for a plot point, definitely.
Speaker 2:No, no, no no.
Speaker 3:Can we also talk about how heartbreaking his death was Like when it's revealed like how his death the other young, young, young Steve or the other young yeah, jc, that you know he'd obviously killed a few and then he like burned himself up. You know that they were all burned, that he was burnt. I mean, it's just like what the site of it is really gut wrenching. It's one of my favorite just characters. I think Now that I just we talk this out because he is so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was really good. He was a funny character. Yeah, like he's the one that you know throughout the film, is not afraid of any of the other obstructions, like he's trying to push down and break down walls and then he dies. That's really good. That's a good dramatic choice. Yeah, because you're built up into him.
Speaker 3:You know that he's living vicariously through his friend Chris. You know Exactly. Now that he's gone, chris has got to live on his own. Well, now he's got Jill right. Cindy Kronenberg, it's the. Oh wait, there is something here. She was cast in a movie years later. I don't know if it was cannibal campers, but they call her Mrs Romero. And what did I say? Chris's name is Romero. Yeah, so a call back.
Speaker 4:So it's like they say they're the same universe. Yes, it worked out.
Speaker 3:Yep, it worked out. So we know that they got married and he died early. So she's Mrs Romero, which I he's like. That's kind of fun, oh my God. But I just this whole, this whole thing is also fun because I I'm simultaneously trying to see what they're referencing and also just enjoying that. It's going so fast that I'm not going to like it Right.
Speaker 1:I mean, it is laser fast. It's like, yeah, you know, lightning fast.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's late, like the references are, and the irony of that is I know that the that Decker was brought to task for how slow his first cut was, and that he was. He just did not think of anything about timing and the only thing that he couldn't quote fix was the zombie walk.
Speaker 1:Like they all walk so damn slow. I love a good. You know when you establish it's a slow zombie, you know it's going to be like. It allows for a lot of fun. You know what I mean. To be had like because you get a lot of time as they condense on you. You know what I mean. So there's something to that. It changes the threat, but you end up with like fun things where we're like trapped in a coat closet. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:We're trapped in a you know a shed outside Right, and it's it's part of it, it's just it was before. We had fast moving zombies, so it was just like zombies are. Yeah, if it's, if you're going to do an homage, you're not going to reinvent what zombies are. You know what I mean. And so we had 28 days later, or whatever. With zombies, we're like right right. Rage virus yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it was 20 days later that really did that. Yeah, that was the first one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then, and then it was Sean yeah, but that like yeah, I guess that's to the point. Like they, they would have moved slowly because that's what he's doing, the homage Right. It is funny that, like all the references are happening so fast, but the movie itself is well paced, I think.
Speaker 4:I think so too. It's 87 minutes, yeah it just yeah.
Speaker 1:The movie really is a film making fun of film noir, yeah, and making fun of like 80s, you know, creature horror, like zombie movies and they just are kind of smashed together, Like you know. Sometimes the scene is a noir and sometimes it's a stupid 80s horror movie, but some of it just really works because they're both just so overly dramatic and overly like cranked up on the character yeah, and it's what it's like.
Speaker 4:The creature features, you know, it's like the blob and creature of the black lagoon and brain. So yeah, brain leeches and yeah like body snatchers and then you go into like, then it goes later into the night of living dead and then it's like, yeah, into the 80s and it's like that whole thing of like you know, and and again. Women are objects that there's so many similar things that they sort of see in between the two. That I know is how much of it they are aware of. But hey, it works for me.
Speaker 3:I love this and that made me think, just with the objectification, made me think of the relationship with Brad, which is great, great name, brad of course he's always named Brad.
Speaker 4:The villain is always named Brad. It was like, yes, and that dye job on his hair.
Speaker 1:And we've not even talked about this guy Makes him look like he's a tender 48.
Speaker 4:And it's like who is that guy? Who's just like playing it, like it's like Nicholas Cage and Peggy Sue got married Doing this like weird, like yo dude California.
Speaker 1:Dude, because the villains are always blonde. Yes, yes.
Speaker 3:That's right.
Speaker 1:Never going to let me in.
Speaker 3:You know like, yeah, that's in and then of course not.
Speaker 3:And he had in. This is actually a really cool cut here. So his, his boys in the frat right included Kurtzman and not Nick, not Nick Otero, but another one of the special effects makeup guys they were. They were the his frat boys because he knew that later they would have to become zombies and he's like I don't have enough money to hire anybody else. So he used the makeup department to put it on themselves because they would know how to do it. They could do it more quickly.
Speaker 1:Interesting. I don't know if you could do it more quickly. Well, they did it to each other.
Speaker 3:Yes. And then they had, and then Greg Nick Otero who is a friend of the two of them, is not credited in the movie, but he shows up as a zombie and they say really yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and then, like two years later, they start their own business, the three of them, but they're all like that's special effects. And then they just kind of show up as frat boys and I guess Greg was not on, he just came to set one day and they're like hey, you want to be a zombie? Yeah, sure, but I just love that. I think that's so cool, that's very cool.
Speaker 1:That's interesting and but it was.
Speaker 3:It was Fred's thinking I don't have enough. You know, I don't want to train anybody how to do this. I don't have enough time, I don't have enough money. You guys be the frat guys, because you're going to have to do the makeup later and you're going to have. You know, you're already here, you're on set, yeah. And because those were shot also like at UCLA and USC and I think so this. So there, when they, when he comes out in in the front of the, I think it's right after the murder has happened and it says like headless corpse, which is kind of funny because he's not headless, he's just split open.
Speaker 3:But it's like headless corpse at Coramon University. Oh right, right, yeah. And so when they have the face off with the 48 year old blonde guy, brad, and Brad, like, takes out his crutch just to make sure this is the villain- we don't like him yeah. It is. That is actually outside of Fred Decker's Amater. And he was, he was. He did not get into their film school.
Speaker 1:And so that's kind of like a middle finger.
Speaker 4:Yes, and so he comes back and shoots a middle finger, that gets winded up. She does, she does it, which is great.
Speaker 1:You know who else does where the funny? I'd never seen that before and I laughed so hard when I saw it in Guardians of the Galaxy the first one. That's what he's like. He doesn't. He's like oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know what this did, but she did it here and I thought it was hilarious. I was like, oh my God, this is like he's doing the eighties.
Speaker 3:That's hilarious, yeah, and I wonder, like I hadn't thought about that. But that easily could be what that moment is. And a little nugget if you look in the back you can see one of the eighties like a second 80 or somebody telling people to get off screen.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2:She's on screen. Oh, that's funny.
Speaker 4:Yeah like everybody else is up, but she's the one when is this.
Speaker 3:It's in that moment where they're having the fight and like he kicks the crutch out, crutch out. It's in that moment we watch that You'll see somebody in the back with like a clipboard and like oh, that's hilarious.
Speaker 1:hands like get out of the frame, oh well, you get away with it in that scene too, because there's just so much going on like that.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Such a driving visual, like you're never going to look at the back.
Speaker 3:No, and there's exactly. There's so much in the front there, but it's. But I just love the irony of you're going to be on camera, wait, wait you are a camera, boom and shot, maybe shot.
Speaker 4:Yes, don't don't retake it, just moving on.
Speaker 3:Moving on, yeah, moving on. I vote for that one. I vote for the war. But it did you know I had just rewatched? Oh, I just rewatched the blob too and that, going back to what you said about the acting, the acting in the 50s is so good, it's so like legit. And because my what made me think about it was my, my mom watched that movie and loved it and, like the, whole blob or blob blob and loved it, was scared to death of it.
Speaker 3:She has this wonderful story I think I've told you, steve, but my, you know, we're in the South, right, and there's no AC in the South. And then AC first comes out and it's only in big buildings, and so one summer day my mom is hot and wants to get cooled down and there's why people would go to the double features and why musicals like theater, would be three hours long because it would be more air conditioning.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, and so my mom looks at what's a long movie showing this afternoon that I can go see, and she sees this is my sweet little southern bell mother goes to see Rosemary's baby.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, that's a great one for her.
Speaker 3:In like. She said it was like because it was in the middle of the day. There's nobody there and it was right. After they invented, like, the, or invented whatever you call it created those seats that move down Like and then, like, they have the two hinges as soon as you Sure yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because they were fixed like stadium Right, like they come up and flat now, at the same time Exactly, and because of that they were so loose and the air conditioner would hit them and you, she could hear the clack Like a clack clack clack, oh, while she's watching.
Speaker 1:By Rosemary's baby. Yeah, terrible. I think it would be a really it would be a movie of itself. Watching your mom, watch Rosemary's oh yeah, so true.
Speaker 3:Oh, my gosh. I mean talk about Doiley and Lace and I love my mother so much and that when she confessed that to me, I had her watch the pilot of Mad Men with me and to be like, is this good mom? And she's like, how did I miss this? When did this come out? And you know, I was like when it first came out she's like even the acting is stiff. I love it.
Speaker 2:She's like the acting is 60 stiff yes.
Speaker 4:Yes, oh man.
Speaker 1:Well, drew, I have to say thank you so much for coming on to take the time to do this.
Speaker 4:I love first of all, love nothing more than talking about this movie, and what a delight talking about the. You drew druggy the ambassador of you know the creeps.
Speaker 1:This is a great. This is one I would never have watched and I'm so glad I did so. Looking at it now, does this drew, does this movie hold up for you, now that you've seen, 100 percent?
Speaker 4:Totally holds up, um, especially given what we were talking about in the genre and also just as an 80s slasher, gore fun campfest Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Totally fun. What about for you, matt? Yes, yes, and I think it's. I think part of its relevance also is the fact that, even though it was, I think he leaned on the homage as a way to feel comfortable about what he was doing. I think it becomes a beautiful museum piece because of that. Like it's fun, it's, it's relevant now and I love it as a nostalgic movie. But I also think there's so much beauty there because, yeah, yes, you have the references to Corman and you know Landis and everybody we've talked about, but, as a result, it asks us to not forget certain film literacy and how important that is.
Speaker 3:And so for me, I that's. That's where it lands for me this is.
Speaker 1:This thing is like this is cotton candy silly, not 80s slasher. You know what I mean. This is a if that's what you're in the mood for, 100 percent is a hold up Like this is. You know it is a. This is the perfect category of awesome, shitty movie.
Speaker 2:Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like that's that, for me, is what this is. So 100 percent, if that's what you're looking for. That's what you got. Drew. If people were to follow you, what do you? What do you got going on?
Speaker 4:Where can they see what you're up to? If you're in New York City, you can come and see me and Titanique on stage and Union Square. I'm doing that this fall, but I'm on the Instagram at drew underscore Drogi and then whatever the other socials are all those?
Speaker 2:things everyone's, whatever they're called now Exactly.
Speaker 3:What about you? Matt X me. No, the twist twist me. I still haven't figured out how to do that one yet. No, I'm a Moe Mundi. The Moe Mundi on the Instagrams, and we do have. I'll let you.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, take it away, man.
Speaker 3:No, we have our movie premiering. I don't know when this will air, but our movie is premiering in October heard and congratulations.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, thank you very much. It's going to be great. It's also a zombie flick, you know, so, yeah, so hopefully you'll enjoy it, drew you got a little.
Speaker 4:I cannot wait to watch it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we don't. We don't have, we don't have any Cormans in there, we don't have you know. Or we tried to get Dick Miller, but he was dead.
Speaker 1:And. But we asked if he would come as a zombie, but his agent said unfortunately we're not going to assume him, he doesn't get up for it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he doesn't get up for this, but no, it's so. And Steve, what about yourself?
Speaker 1:You can follow me at Steven C Pierce on you know the Instagrams Probably the only one I really keep somewhat up to date and yeah, then check out. I'd say you know we got a. Actually, our film Buking Gaze, which is a concert film, now is available on Prime for free. That's right.
Speaker 3:That just happened. The Rockumentary Buking Gaze?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's very cool, very cool. A little unique band that make all their own instruments and I would say but go check out her If you can. It'll be available everywhere you know you can buy films and everywhere there are in theaters on October 13th here. So, guys, awesome, we did it. We did it. Night of the creeps Creeps what a fun time.
Speaker 4:Drew is awesome to meet you, man. Thanks for having me so good to meet you, Steve. Good to see you, man. It's so good to see you, drew. Good, let's go and see you movie. Let's go and see you movie. Let's go and see you movie.
Speaker 2:Let's go and see you movie. Let's go and see you movie. Let's go and see you movie. Let's go and see you movie. Let's go and see you movie.
